Over the holiday weekend my 16 yr old daughter was date raped in the basement of her Aunt's home by her Aunt's 16 yr old stepson...her brother who is 17 was in the house at the time but unaware of what happened. There was drinking involved as well, of that he was aware. My daughter, who had just turned 16 two days before, was a virgin and had never drank before. We are working on this. Her brother, however,who is a high achieving, super stressed senior in high school and is waiting to hear about early acceptance (actually tomorrow) at several ivy leagues he is likely to be admitted to-he is very very protective of his sister, their father is mentally ill and they have been through some hard times in the past (the aunt who's home they were at is their father's sister-she is generally a very responsible adult-she is also unaware). My daughter is vehemently opposed to telling her brother whom she is afraid will be devastated by the knowledge, and hold himself responsible. I tend to agree, he does have a way of holding himself responsible for every damn thing in the world. She however, is exhibiting signs of ptsd and hasn't been able to attend school since-luckily they do go to different schools but trying to get her help and give her support at the same time keeping this from her brother is making a very difficult situation even more so, compounded by the fact that our living space is pretty small. I feel that on the one hand he should be told out of respect for him as well as to open up another source of support for his sister but on the other I fear he will be completely devastated-they are very close and have a really awesome relationship but he often takes her safety on to himself, and when I remind him he is not her father he replies someone has to be (their father is not really present as a parental influence, although involved in their lives) There is also the issue that they have finally achieved a pretty good relationship w/ their father which I think will also destroy-he is bound to blame him as well. I don't think he can handle this, I really don't. This could derail him for quite some time. what to do? I am trying to get her into a intensive outpatient program, barring that a possible in patient-I am pretty sure he is aware something is wrong -I basically have told him she is having a depressive episode (she once was in iop program for depression in the past) I am thinking to wait until he hears from these colleges or maybe if we get her in the program, during a family session. I don't know...I cannot tell you how incredibly stressful trying to give her what she needs to heal at the same time keeping this from her brother and not to mention trying to get to work full time this is.....Help!
written by shrinkgirl 369 days ago
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You sound like an amazing mother to both of your children. But I think you are complicating things. Your son knows something is going on. He should be informed. He will be angry later on if he was not told, which will be worse for everyone. You daughter also needs his support. Keeping this information quiet also reinforces shame in date rape situations. Also, your daughter should know that she can press charges against the individual. This can be empowering and help with the depression. You need a really good therapist experienced in sex crimes and family counseling. Good luck.
written by teteapuoche 368 days ago
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You know, I think he does know....she is not yet ready to deal with telling him, so. We are going this morning for an intake for admission to an intensive outpatient program...maybe in the context of that program???
written by drjean 367 days ago
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I'm sorry to hear of this victimization. Trying to keep it secret is a natural part of the issue. But if the brother finds out, it might be a catapult for imo HE needs to learn to handle life issues and sounds like he could use some therapy also.
The main emphasis is immediate treatment for your daughter. You didn't share if she went to an ER or rape center at all, nor if she is in any kind of therapy right now. Waiting is not good. The sooner she can be helped to process what happened to her, the easier (not easy) it will be to move on with life. PTSD is a beast of a disorder and needs direct attention. Even if that therapy changes soon down the road, it will be the same road overall.
The brother can be told when she is not around, and given time and effort to help him realize the type of support she needs from him. He could really be a pivotal aspect of her healing, if he can do that. Maybe go with HIM to a therapist so you can work through the knowledge and find out good support together?
This is time for an adult decision, regardless of what your daughter "fears." Don't do this with her, but inform her it's the right thing to do. Adding stress to your lives at this point is not a good decision.
Focus needs to be on the victim, and not those around her, imo. BTW I still consider her a virgin. Take care.
Thank you DrJean! You know it didn't even occur to me to tell him without her there. Duh! Yeah I know I am going to have to do it soon. He just found out he got a full ride scholarship to a top ivy league (the top) which is a huge deal because we are poor, in a relative sense, so everyone is riding high on that so I'll give him one more day. I think he knows, I do- most of all when I told him, out of the blue, that she was going into this intensive outpatient program he was like, oh. Ok. Which is NOT a typical reaction for him because quite often he tries to parent her.
And I know, she IS still a virgin, I told her that right away that that was NOT sex. I did take her right away to a rape crisis center which coincidentally is located down the hall from the IOP-we did the intake on Friday and it went really well-the counselor that she'll be seeing seemed really awesome and suited to my daughter-who is very adverse to psychobabble, the I'm ok you're ok school...she wants practical advice on how to deal w. this and I think this will be a good person for her to work with. So there's a lot of relief there. Plus the school's been pretty good about the whole thing, so far, as she has missed an entire week. And I'm not sure if she'll make it Monday. Thank God she starts the program Monday, I am so grateful for that because I know she'll be in good hands-it's like 4 hours a day and part of that time she'll be with the rape counselors-for the time being I'm giving her lots of love and attention, I want her to know that she is still my little girl, always always always.
And you are right about my son, I've had him in counseling before but it's not been so successful because he is loathe to talk. I have to remember that I sometimes get a warped view because I know I am the only one he feels comfortable talking to and therefore tend to be the garbage pail of his angst. And sometimes he'll really pour it out and two minutes later, he'll be fine and happy and I'll be like AAAGH!
Yes, I am going to tell my son and very soon. We are a family with a very strong emphasis on being honest with each other and it just feels wrong. Because of my absence at work, I had to tell my managers and they have been typically and unbelievably supportive-I am so lucky-and I have a couple of good friends who have also been incredibly supportive. I'm pretty lucky in this aspect as it helps me then to be there emotionally for my daughter....and soon, my son.
man, what a week!
written by drjean 367 days ago
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Sorry, editing isn't working. ;)
"it might catapult him to go for therapy, imo. HE needs to learn how to handle life issues, and it sounds like he could use some therapy also."
written by Bliss 353 days ago
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It's not your secret. Be sure to get permission from your daughter before you start sharing her private information with others, including her brother.
I think it would be best for him to attend a family counseling session where he was told in the presence of a counselor/social worker. That way, he know it was a part of his sister's recovery. It's about her.
If he needs further counseling then he should have his own counselor. He does have a lot of stress with the college thing.
Remember, you are not your kids' counselor. You are the Mother. They really just need your hugs and motherly guidance. You are not responsible for their feelings. And, if you need counseling, please don't hesitate to seek out it.
I'd give you a big hug if I could. ((((((((((((Cyberhug to you))))))))))))
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You sound like an amazing mother to both of your children. But I think you are complicating things. Your son knows something is going on. He should be informed. He will be angry later on if he was not told, which will be worse for everyone. You daughter also needs his support. Keeping this information quiet also reinforces shame in date rape situations. Also, your daughter should know that she can press charges against the individual. This can be empowering and help with the depression. You need a really good therapist experienced in sex crimes and family counseling. Good luck.
You know, I think he does know....she is not yet ready to deal with telling him, so. We are going this morning for an intake for admission to an intensive outpatient program...maybe in the context of that program???
I'm sorry to hear of this victimization. Trying to keep it secret is a natural part of the issue. But if the brother finds out, it might be a catapult for imo HE needs to learn to handle life issues and sounds like he could use some therapy also.
The main emphasis is immediate treatment for your daughter. You didn't share if she went to an ER or rape center at all, nor if she is in any kind of therapy right now. Waiting is not good. The sooner she can be helped to process what happened to her, the easier (not easy) it will be to move on with life. PTSD is a beast of a disorder and needs direct attention. Even if that therapy changes soon down the road, it will be the same road overall.
The brother can be told when she is not around, and given time and effort to help him realize the type of support she needs from him. He could really be a pivotal aspect of her healing, if he can do that. Maybe go with HIM to a therapist so you can work through the knowledge and find out good support together?
This is time for an adult decision, regardless of what your daughter "fears." Don't do this with her, but inform her it's the right thing to do. Adding stress to your lives at this point is not a good decision.
Focus needs to be on the victim, and not those around her, imo. BTW I still consider her a virgin. Take care.
Sorry, editing isn't working. ;)
"it might catapult him to go for therapy, imo. HE needs to learn how to handle life issues, and it sounds like he could use some therapy also."
It's not your secret. Be sure to get permission from your daughter before you start sharing her private information with others, including her brother.
I think it would be best for him to attend a family counseling session where he was told in the presence of a counselor/social worker. That way, he know it was a part of his sister's recovery. It's about her.
If he needs further counseling then he should have his own counselor. He does have a lot of stress with the college thing.
Remember, you are not your kids' counselor. You are the Mother. They really just need your hugs and motherly guidance. You are not responsible for their feelings. And, if you need counseling, please don't hesitate to seek out it.
I'd give you a big hug if I could. ((((((((((((Cyberhug to you))))))))))))